Even CNN ‘Truth Squad’ contradicts warmongering against Iran: ‘While Ahmadinejad is no fan of Israel or the United States, he did not state in August that he wants to eradicate Israel.’

Truth squad: Has Iran said it wants to attack Israel?

By the CNN Wire Staff
November 23, 2011 — Updated 0810 GMT (1610 HKT)

Editor’s note: Part of the CNN Republican debate fact-checking series

(CNN) — An Israeli strike on Iran was raised as a possibility at Tuesday night’s Republican presidential debate in Washington. Candidates were asked if they, as president, would join or support Israel.

Michele Bachmann said the issue of Israeli aggression came up only because of Iran’s possible nuclear capability.

The statement: “…why is it that we’re talking about Israel having to make a strike against Iran? It’s because Iran has announced they plan to strike Israel.

“They’ve stated, as recently as August just before President Ahmadinejad came to — to the U.N. General Assembly. He said that he wanted to eradicate Israel from the face of the Earth.

“He has said that if he has a nuclear weapon he will use it to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. He will use it against the United States of America.”

The facts:

In 2005, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, during a meeting with protesting students at Iran’s Interior Ministry, quoted a remark from Ayatollah Khomeini, founder of Iran’s Islamic revolution, that Israel “must be wiped out from the map of the world.”

Ahmadinejad then said: “And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism,” according to a quote published by Iran’s state news outlet, the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA).

This year, Ahmadinejad spoke to the U.N. General Assembly in September. He criticized Zionism and the United States, but did not threaten a military attack on either country.

Ahmadinejad has maintained Iran seeks only nuclear energy capability, not nuclear weapons. On November 9, he denied once again that his country is pursuing nukes.

“The Americans have fabricated a stack of papers and he keeps speaking about them,” he said on state-run Press TV. “Why don’t you do a report on the U.S. nuclear program and its allies? Present a report on the thousands of U.S. military bases where Washington has nuclear arms that threaten global security.”

The verdict: False. While Ahmadinejad is no fan of Israel or the United States, he did not state in August that he wants to eradicate Israel. Because he does not acknowledge pursuit of nuclear weapons, he could not have threatened to use them against Israel or the United States.

CNN’s Amy Roberts contributed to this report.


‘Oak Bay democracy can still be clean, easy and free’, says Gregory Hartnell; ‘Rockland Outsider’ didn’t spend a cent on paperless sign-free Campaign for Oak Bay Liberty

I am pleased to report something that I am sure that all my cousins the Turnbulls, and all my long-dead Glaswegian ancestors on my mother’s side, would certainly appreciate.

I didn’t spend a red cent, not one devalued Canadian penny, not one single unit of the Bankster’s fiat currency in spreading the bulletproof ideas of Liberty to the good people of Oak Bay in last week’s election.

I analysed the basics of Dr. Ron Paul’s erudition and wisdom, integrating the most applicable economic principles into my own non partisan ten point plan for Oak Bay economic recovery, incorporating Austrian School of Economics ideas as I understand them from studying Dr. Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty.

So it is quite possible to come from Victoria with a commendation and a warning, to stand for election in a neighbouring jurisdiction, to spread timeless revolutionary anti-corporatist ideas, to not spend a cent, and to have about 569 souls vote for those sorts of pro-Life, pro-Liberty, pro low tax ideas.

Thanks to all my Pro-Life, Pro-Liberty, Pro-Peace, Pro-Market, Pro-Sound Money Concerned Citizens and other new friends in Oak Bay.

Remember folks, this campaign was essentially a one man operation, run by face to face contact with Oak Bay residents, telephone calls, emails and blogs.

Imagine what you can do with a gang of peaceful Liberty revolutionaries who are more computer savvy than your humble servant, and not hung up on Scottish frugality.

I didn’t use any so-called social media at all.

No facebook ‘friends’, no myspace, no linkedin, no twittering…

NADA de estas cosas estupidas!


Gregory Paul Michael Hartnell

‘Goyo de la Rosa’


Tom Woods on Ron Paul on history of US military force threats against Iran, via Lew Rockwell’s Political Theatre, tomwoods.com

November 20th

This Is How an Anti-Establishment Candidate Is Treated

Watch the contemptible shill Bob Schieffer throw propaganda questions at Ron Paul, and then laughably try to deny that the U.S. government has threatened to use military force against Iran. Ron reminds him that the last two presidents repeatedly said no options had been taken off the table, which obviously means military force is still being considered, and Schieffer just moves on to the next question. The first few questions are sheer neocon, so I sometimes wonder why the neocons complain about the “liberal” media. The “liberal” media shares all their basic assumptions, as this interview with the “liberal” Schieffer shows for the millionth time. (Thanks to Lew Rockwell’s Political Theatre.)

Thomas E. Woods Jr. on how poor are prospering: It is by evading the state’s alleged help that the most vulnerable have managed to eke out tolerable livings for themselves.’ @ tomwoods.com


How the Poor Are Prospering by Ignoring the State

This is one of the most interesting and startling articles I have read in a long time.

In the usual version of events, the poor are helpless victims of capitalist exploitation, and only the wise intervention of the state can improve their condition.

The growth of what experts call System D, the unofficial economy that operates outside the state’s arena of taxation and regulation, suggests that the reality is quite different.

It is by evading the state’s alleged help that the most vulnerable have managed to eke out tolerable livings for themselves.

Gerald Celente: Trends Research Institute’s main man warns of more Bankster ripoffs coming…

HARTNELL’S OAK BAY TAX LIBERTY PLAN: “I will honour existing contracts between Oak Bay and the unions, but will not raise residential or commercial property taxes in the first year of the term, nor will I raise the tax rate at the expense of the residential sector, but will maintain a fair balance in the ratio between the two sectors.” Point #2 of ‘Rockland Outsider’ Gregory Hartnell’s 10 point Oak Bay Campaign for Tax Liberty

Gregory Hartnell’s new 10 point, 3 year Oak Bay Recovery Plan: independent non-partisan fiscal conservative PRO-LIFE candidate for Oak Bay Council wants to shrink borrowing, government, hiring, spending, residential and commercial property taxes.

OCTOBER 12, 2011 BY 

Gregory Hartnell
Gregory Hartnell, PRO-LIFE Artist-Historian
President, Concerned Citizens’ Coalition
1357 Rockland Avenue
Victoria, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada, V8S 1V7
Tel. 250 382 97 67
Official Campaign Website:
Email: gregoryhartnell@yahoo.ca
I am pleased to announce that I am standing as an independent non-partisan candidate for Oak Bay Council in the November 19 election.
I was born in Victoria in Saint Joseph’s Hospital on October 24, 1952, am a Canadian citizen, have no party membership, nor membership in any Globalist organizations, and have lived in Greater Victoria most of my life, including addresses on Milton, Yale, Hampshire and Beach Drive in beautiful Oak Bay.
Inspired by Dr. Ron Paul, American Presidential Candidate for 2012, I am primarily a small government advocate, emphasizing the need for radically lower residential and commercial property taxes.
Here is my 10 point plan of Tax Liberty, Economic Recovery and Restoration of Accountability for Oak Bay:
1. I will not vote to give myself a raise in salary in the three year term, but will donate the entirety of my three year salary to Victoria Hospice.
2. I will honour existing contracts between Oak Bay and the unions, but will not raise residential or commercial property taxes in the first year of the term, nor will I raise the tax rate at the expense of the residential sector, but will maintain a fair balance in the ratio between the two sectors.
3. I will look at the best ways to repeat the contract-honouring, tax-cutting restraint programme each subsequent year of the term, guided by principles of prudent fiscal justice for the greater good of the economy of Oak Bay, not pandering to special interest groups of the right or the left.
4. I am opposed to the grandiose sewage and LRT plans of the non-elected, non-accountable CRD; I favour free bus passes for the disabled, homeless and poor, and look for science-based marine-based sewage and storm drain solutions as advocated by Responsible Sewage Treatment Victoria.
5. I will not vote for any new hiring, and will not vote to expand any bureaucratic spending in any department of Oak Bay, including police, in the three year term.
6. I will stop all salary raises for management for the whole three year term, and will actually work to reduce their present salaries.
7. I am in favour of a legally binding ‘chem trail’ geo-engineering ban in Oak Bay, leading to a similar ban with legal force in the whole CRD.
8. I support the current Council in their opposition to so-called ‘smart meters’, will vote to stop further installation of these radiation-emitting devices in Oak Bay, favouring instead removal of wireless meters, and installation of non-radiating wired meters, if there is no other way to avoid the smart grid mania.
9. I favour a four storey height restriction for all new building proposals, including the controversial Garry Oak Village proposal of Baptist Housing.
10. All development approvals in Oak Bay should be subject to a prudent development approval process, including bona fide loan guarantees to protect the District of Oak Bay from improperly financed applications, to avoid a repeat of the Oak Bay Beach Hotel fiasco.
Further information about my Campaign for Tax Liberty in Oak Bay is found at the link below, or at my official campaign weblog:
GREGORY PAUL MICHAEL HARTNELL (formerly ‘Concerned Citizens’ Coalition Weblog’), gregoryhartnell.wordpress.com.
Although I am still President of the Concerned Citizens’ Coalition, the CCC does not formally endorse my campaign, which is strictly independent.
I am a completely independent candidate, and receive no support from any bank, corporation, political party, union, or any other electors’ organization of any kind.
On November 19, 2011
Please Vote:
Gregory Hartnell
for Oak Bay Council


1) Vigilant residents keep smart meters at bay by Michael Smyth – The Province – November 17, 2011: – http://www.theprovince.com/news/Vigilant+residents+keep+smart+meters/5724394/story.html
2) There is more and more evidence that the corporations are planning on using the grids for multiple and various purposes, but most of it hangs on use of our data, selling and re-selling it. This is just the latest article. I urge you all to write to the Privacy Commissioner  — info@oipc.bc,ca , your MLA and the newspapers about this.
[Cisco] The smart grid according to Cisco: 9 things you need to know now by Jesse Berst – Smart Grid News – November 17, 2011:
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3) Candidates for Saanich who are against smart meters:  All the incumbent candidates plus  Nicola Wade, Harold Wolf
Challengers who are for smart meters and against protecting us with a moratorium:    Ingrid Ip, Jesse McClinton, Rob Wickson.
This information was compiled by a group of us who spent HOURS at the various all candidates meetings.  Please vote wisely tomorrow!  We hope this is correct!;
4) Corix was in Fernwood, a section of Victoria, today. Please pass the word.

Hi Folks

Please spread this invitation throughout your networks, BC wide so all in the interior can have a chance to listen to some well informed and passionate speakers. It will be a night that you will leave feeling far more empowered and ready to inspire your friends and community, to say emphatically NO to “Smart”Meters. Together communities and neighbourhoods with their municipal councils can continue to keep the demand strong for a moratorium.
 Smart Meters


 Whats the REAL Cost?

·    Health Threats

·    Privacy Issues

·    Usage Rates

·    and more…

Come Learn and Ask Question

Speakers from  Enderby, Kelowna, Kamloops and Salmon Arm,

Barbara Makota- Interior Rep “Citizens for Safe Techology”  Curtis Bennett– Electrician, Thermographer.

Brian Thiesen –Chairman, Interior Smart Meter Awareness 

Steve Corrie – “Voice of the Shuswap”

Wednesday, November 23rd 7-9pm ( doors open 6:30)

Shubert Centre 3505 30th Ave Vernon BC

Suggested Donation: $3

Sponsored by the Vernon Chapter of the Canadian Society of Questers

Non-Profit Organization


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