Even CNN ‘Truth Squad’ contradicts warmongering against Iran: ‘While Ahmadinejad is no fan of Israel or the United States, he did not state in August that he wants to eradicate Israel.’

Truth squad: Has Iran said it wants to attack Israel?

By the CNN Wire Staff
November 23, 2011 — Updated 0810 GMT (1610 HKT)

Editor’s note: Part of the CNN Republican debate fact-checking series

(CNN) — An Israeli strike on Iran was raised as a possibility at Tuesday night’s Republican presidential debate in Washington. Candidates were asked if they, as president, would join or support Israel.

Michele Bachmann said the issue of Israeli aggression came up only because of Iran’s possible nuclear capability.

The statement: “…why is it that we’re talking about Israel having to make a strike against Iran? It’s because Iran has announced they plan to strike Israel.

“They’ve stated, as recently as August just before President Ahmadinejad came to — to the U.N. General Assembly. He said that he wanted to eradicate Israel from the face of the Earth.

“He has said that if he has a nuclear weapon he will use it to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. He will use it against the United States of America.”

The facts:

In 2005, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, during a meeting with protesting students at Iran’s Interior Ministry, quoted a remark from Ayatollah Khomeini, founder of Iran’s Islamic revolution, that Israel “must be wiped out from the map of the world.”

Ahmadinejad then said: “And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism,” according to a quote published by Iran’s state news outlet, the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA).

This year, Ahmadinejad spoke to the U.N. General Assembly in September. He criticized Zionism and the United States, but did not threaten a military attack on either country.

Ahmadinejad has maintained Iran seeks only nuclear energy capability, not nuclear weapons. On November 9, he denied once again that his country is pursuing nukes.

“The Americans have fabricated a stack of papers and he keeps speaking about them,” he said on state-run Press TV. “Why don’t you do a report on the U.S. nuclear program and its allies? Present a report on the thousands of U.S. military bases where Washington has nuclear arms that threaten global security.”

The verdict: False. While Ahmadinejad is no fan of Israel or the United States, he did not state in August that he wants to eradicate Israel. Because he does not acknowledge pursuit of nuclear weapons, he could not have threatened to use them against Israel or the United States.

CNN’s Amy Roberts contributed to this report.

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‘Oak Bay democracy can still be clean, easy and free’, says Gregory Hartnell; ‘Rockland Outsider’ didn’t spend a cent on paperless sign-free Campaign for Oak Bay Liberty

I am pleased to report something that I am sure that all my cousins the Turnbulls, and all my long-dead Glaswegian ancestors on my mother’s side, would certainly appreciate.

I didn’t spend a red cent, not one devalued Canadian penny, not one single unit of the Bankster’s fiat currency in spreading the bulletproof ideas of Liberty to the good people of Oak Bay in last week’s election.

I analysed the basics of Dr. Ron Paul’s erudition and wisdom, integrating the most applicable economic principles into my own non partisan ten point plan for Oak Bay economic recovery, incorporating Austrian School of Economics ideas as I understand them from studying Dr. Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty.

So it is quite possible to come from Victoria with a commendation and a warning, to stand for election in a neighbouring jurisdiction, to spread timeless revolutionary anti-corporatist ideas, to not spend a cent, and to have about 569 souls vote for those sorts of pro-Life, pro-Liberty, pro low tax ideas.

Thanks to all my Pro-Life, Pro-Liberty, Pro-Peace, Pro-Market, Pro-Sound Money Concerned Citizens and other new friends in Oak Bay.

Remember folks, this campaign was essentially a one man operation, run by face to face contact with Oak Bay residents, telephone calls, emails and blogs.

Imagine what you can do with a gang of peaceful Liberty revolutionaries who are more computer savvy than your humble servant, and not hung up on Scottish frugality.

I didn’t use any so-called social media at all.

No facebook ‘friends’, no myspace, no linkedin, no twittering…

NADA de estas cosas estupidas!

MUCHAS GRACIAS, AMIGOS!

Gregory Paul Michael Hartnell

‘Goyo de la Rosa’

CCC

Pat Buchanan on Iran, Ron Paul versus War Party: ‘Are we being lied and stampeded into yet another war by the same propagandists who gave us the yellow-cake-from-Niger forgeries?’

PAT BUCHANAN ON IRAN, THE GOP AND RON PAUL

Ron Paul 2012

Pat Buchanan writes:

Is a vote for the Republican Party in 2012 a vote for war?

Is a vote for Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich a vote for yet another unfunded war of choice, this time with a nation, Iran, three times as large and populous as Iraq?

Mitt says that if elected he will move carriers into the Persian Gulf and “prepare for war.” Newt is even more hawkish. America should continue “taking out” Iran’s nuclear scientists — i.e., assassinating them — but military action will probably be needed.

Newt is talking up uber-hawk John Bolton for secretary of state…

And where is the hard evidence Iran is acquiring nukes?

The U.S. intelligence community declared in December 2007, with “high confidence,” that Iran was no longer seeking nuclear weapons. It has never rescinded that declaration.

And there is no conclusive evidence in that media-hyped report last week from the International Atomic Energy Agency that Iran is for certain building nuclear weapons. Indeed, that report was exposed as the work of incompetents within hours…

Are we being lied and stampeded into yet another war by the same propagandists who gave us the yellow-cake-from-Niger forgeries?

Ahmadinejad is a lame duck with less than two years left in his term… Told that the IAEA said Iran was actively pursuing nuclear weapons, Ahmadinejad laughed: “The Iranian nation is wise. It won’t build two bombs against 20,000 (nuclear) bombs you (Americans) have.”

Does he not have a point? How would an Iranian bomb secure Iran, when Israel’s nuclear arsenal would be put on a hair trigger, and Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Egypt would then rush to get their own bombs?

In that South Carolina debate, Ron Paul, the one person there proven right on Iraq, was given less than 90 seconds to speak.

Under the Constitution, said Paul, no president has the right to launch an unprovoked attack on Iran without congressional authorization.

Before America goes to war with Iran, let Congress, whose members are forever expressing their love for the Constitution, follow it, and vote on war with Iran.

And before we go to the polls in 2012, let’s find out if the GOP is becoming again the same old War Party that bankrupted the nation.

Gregory Hartnell to Larry Wartel: What I really like about Ron Paul is how he really transcends the partisan divisions, attracting many Blue Democrats, independents, libertarians, fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, anti-globalists, anti-war activists, etc.

Hello Larry:

Thanks for the links. I will jump around and write these early morning pages without much concern for logical order…
I am a ‘bad’ Catholic in that I don’t go to Mass every Sunday, but occasionally, when my wife has a day or two off, we will go to the ‘nooner’, and I usually come out with a better attitude to life than before I entered the temple.
We usually go to pray at St. Pat’s in Oak Bay, for a number of mundane reasons, sometimes to the Franciscan chapel which is not far away near Craigdarroch Castle, and occasionally to the Cathedral, as this is our parish, but we are not registered anywhere, and have given up giving money to them at collection time, as the last three bishops (De Roo, Roussin and Gagnon) have wasted great amounts of money on real estate malinvestments, and we think they should just be spiritual shepherds, and not money and real estate managers…
I was surprised to discover that Kucinich is Catholic, as he always struck me as somewhat New Age.  In any case, I like him too, and think either he or Rand Paul, Ron’s son who just won a Senate seat in Kentucky, would both make good candidates for the Vice Presidency on the Ron Paul ticket.
Wikipedia says Ron Paul is a Baptist, but whatever religion he professes, the important thing for me is that he asserts the so-called ‘just war’ theory, which would not allow the so-called Bush Doctrine of never-ending pre-emptive war.
With the bomb, even ‘just war theory’ may very well be obsolete, but pacificism is very personal, and is very difficult to impose as a state cultural value.
I admire the great Catholic pacifists like Dorothy Day and Thomas Merton, but even Merton understood that it is natural to defend oneself when the attack is unwarranted and unprovoked.
I used to think that I was a Christian pacifist, but then I got mugged in a subway in Madrid, and that changed everything.  The guy grabbed my wallet out of my back pocket.  I ran after him as he escaped from the train onto the subway platform.  I grabbed him around the neck, and held on tight until he let go of the wallet. Then I picked up the wallet, let him go and he ran off…
As for that big glossy that my wife gets from the Operating Engineers, it comes directly from the states, and it really strikes me that American Big Labor is international or ‘globalist’ when I try to read it.  It seems to be a not too thinly veiled piece of propaganda for the Democrats.
What I really like about Ron Paul is how he really transcends the partisan divisions, attracting many Blue Democrats, independents, libertarians, fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, anti-globalists, anti-war activists, etc.
Being an old hippy, I don’t really like the gun fanaticism of some of Paul’s supporters like Alex Jones (who I listen to every day), but I do understand that is all part of the revolutionary traditions of the early republic.
I think the real revolution is the peaceful inner one, and I already have a number of tools in our garage that could be used as weapons in case I needed to defend my wife or myself, and so that is quite enough… I am not about to buy a damn gun.
Generally, I don’t like monarchism, corporatism, militarism or totalitarianism of any stripe.  These are things we can get rid of through voting.
 Sexism and racism are of course also deplorable, but people should not be penalized for their thoughts or publishing their idiotic ideas.
I like to think that I am moderate, though people like Dean Fortin and his ilk might disagree…

Finally, I think the Church is still very conflicted on the role of the Jews in the killing of Christ.  The evidence that some Jews wanted him dead, and worked to that end is there in the Gospels, but the Romans also played their crucial role in this cosmic psycho drama.
We are now taught not to blame the Jews exclusively, as some priests no doubt taught in the past, but to assume the blame ourselves, that in our sinfulness we are also responsible for that murder, and this spreads the guilt around, and makes the redemption more personal and paradoxically universal.
No, I am not a deacon, nor do I have a degree in theology.  I am what they call a ‘layman’ (part of the laity, the non-ordained majority of believers who have yet to discover their own good powers).
I studied Modern Latin American History and Modern European History (post Renaissance) at the University of San Francisco, the oldest one in that City, and still nominally run by Jesuits.
I had a Jesuit teach me what little I know about the ‘Old Testament.’ I specifically remember objecting to him about this notion that the Jews were the ‘Chosen People,’ but he taught that as revealed dogma.
That concept seems to negate the universality of the Gospel message, but he explained it in terms of the direct line in Joseph’s lineage back to David.  But of course, accepting the ‘conception by the Holy Spirit’, Joseph didn’t father Jesus, but rather acted as his step-father, so that is a strange idea…
Another one who influenced me there quite a bit in the 80s and the 90s was Father Joseph Fessio, an ardent fan and the first American publisher of books by or about Joseph Ratzinger, one of his ex-theology students, in fact.
So, I heard a lot about Ratzinger long before the outside world noticed that he was climbing up the ladder to the top job.
Finally, yes, I know Howie.  He was supportive of our Vancouver Island Peace Society (VIPS) and Concerned Citizens’ efforts to get the nuclear ships’ visits to Victoria, Esquimalt and Nanoose stopped, and let Al Rycroft and other anti-nuke activists like myself get our pics taken with him in Pagliacci’s with his arm around our shoulders…
But later I heard about his Zionism and that of course alarmed me.  His friend Sid Tafler, ex-editor of Monday Mag, also is apparently a Zionist, alas.
 I never did like Howie’s tv show, which was way too vulgar for my effete tastes.
I met his sister at the Alano Club.  She was a recovering coke head from West Hollywood, and wanted me to marry her for convenience, to get into Canada.
 My mother, God bless her, talked me out of it, and I am glad she did…
Did you study in the States, too?
Shalom
Gregory